Have a cushion for your forehead; beating it against that brick wall must hurt. ;)
I'm more worried about the calls i get _from_ my bank, where they ask for _my_ security details.
several of my acquaintances have signed up for Plaxo, and so my main address is now even more compromised. When I point out to them that I don't want to be in such an organisation's records, they're quite taken aback, and slightly offended [sigh]
Except it isn't.
It's more like one of the ways you've described that you use CIX. Any address sharing is purely on a double opt-in basis - probably best compared with Linked-In or any other social software tool.
I know lots of people who use Plaxo and I know LOTS of people who think it is the worst kind of "opt-in-spam-my-friends-and-colleagues" operation.
Except it isn't...
(I actually find it useful keeping track of OnFired folks and the perigrinations of various PRs...)
suggest to them that they have probably breached data protection regulations and that their clients may be inclined to sue them.
How is it that you feel a member has somehow breached data privacy regulations with the use of services such as Plaxo?
I am the Privacy Officer here at Plaxo and to my knowledge, there are no data privacy regulations that I am aware of a person would be in violation of by using Plaxo.
Otherwise there would be potentially millions of people who are also in violation for the usage of services such as Yahoo! mail, Google GMail, MSN Hotmail, AOL or similiar services. In addition, ecommerce sites such as Amazon, eBay, or anyplace else where a user might enter or store the contact information of a friend or family member in order to ship a gift would also be in violation.
The bottom line is managing one's information within Plaxo is no different than managing the exact same type of information that people manage within these other services such as Yahoo! or AOL. Member's are simply using Plaxo to help manage information they maintain within their address book, calendar, tasks and notes. Address book information maintained within Plaxo is under the complete control of the Plaxo member and this information is used only in accordance with a member's instruction.
For example, as with sending a message through Yahoo, members can chose to send a message to a contact in their address book through Plaxo. Plaxo does not initiate these messages, but rather we operate as a service provider for processing these messages as well as any responses the Plaxo member might receive.
- Your Information is your own and you decide who will have access to it.
- You maintain ownership rights to Your Information, even if there is a business transition or policy change.
- You may add, delete, or modify Your Information at any time.
- Plaxo will not update or modify Your Information without your permission.
- Plaxo will not sell, exchange, or otherwise share Your Information with third parties, unless required by law or in accordance with your instructions.
- Plaxo does not send spam, maintain spam mailing lists, or support the activities of spammers.
Plaxo Privacy Officer
privacy @t plaxo.com
Plaxo doesn't work like that. While you can use it as an online store for your address book, any address sharing is purely on a double opt-in basis.
2005-02-03 07:40 pm (UTC)
ok...maybe to stop the spammers, we should encourage US Postal Service to start charging for sending email....
> And one of their partners has just uploaded their whole address book to an
> online database which has, as one of its selling points, that it keeps
> passing his own contact information to other users.
You offer sound advice that people should be careful before using any new service or software to ensure privacy will be protected and their information will be used properly.
In the case of Plaxo, we certainly feel we follow some of the most stringent privacy practices in place in the industry protecting both a user's information and privacy.
With Plaxo, please understand that the member controls whom they wish to share their information with through Plaxo. There is no arbitrary sharing of information with our service; no global directory; member information is kept safe and secure.
From the feedback I have received from members, they feel Plaxo is a tremendously useful and valuable tool for them to connect with friends, family, and colleagues and stay connected over time automatically and life changes.
There are many facets to how Plaxo works, but basically members use our service to update and keep updated their address book information. Members can send an Update Request message through Plaxo to selected contacts they currently maintain. Plaxo does not initiate these messages.
Within the update request message, the member is providing their latest and most updated information to the contact in order to keep them updated and stay in touch. The member may also ask for the contact to optionally update them as well with their updated contact info. Of course the member could have sent a similar message without using Plaxo, but they have chosen Plaxo to help automate and simplify the entire process. Any responses the member might receive to their update request message is automatically inserted into their local address book.
In addition, there is also the ability for two Plaxo members to "connect with" each other through Plaxo. When two members connect with each other, any time one member changes his information, the other member is automatically updated. There is no need for a member to send out any email to update friends and family, and a member's address book becomes self-updating so they never lose touch with those most important to them.
I hope this helps,
Plaxo Privacy Officer
privacy @t plaxo.com
None of this changes the fact that you send unsolicited commercial email -- spam -- to the addresses which unwitting idiots upload to your system.
None of this changes the fact that you encourage unwitting idiots to pass personal information to you without the consent of the people involved.
It's not spam, it's just annoying email sent by clueless people, which isn't the same thing. It's email sent between people who have an existing relationship, which pretty well rules out it being spam, and the fact that it's sent via Plaxo which adds some text of its own doesn't make it spam, any more than an email sent using Yahoo! Mail with an ad at the bottom is spam.
I voted "no". They might be unwelcome but the person who initiates the process, the reason why the mail gets sent, is someone you know. Unwelcome mail is not the same as unsolicited mail. The reason your boss got mail was that someone he knew pressed a button that caused it to be sent. You can argue that he didn't *want* it sent, but you'd have to argue a case for "Craig Shergold is dead ill, tell everyone in your address book" being spam as well if you label Plaxo as such. Giving out your email address these days has consequences. Misguided people will use it in ways you'd hope they wouldn't.
When someone invited you to get gmail, was that spam?
When someone invited you to Orkut was that?
How about if I invited you to join a BDSM for Christians mailing list hosted on Yahoo?
What if someone enters an online competition and fills in your address as someone who might also be interested in entering?
In all these cases your received email goes through the same sort of process and while it might be unwelcome and it might be unsolicited by you it's not bulk random crap from a stranger and *that* is what tends to constitute spam these days.
Can you trust the random computer at a random company that now holds your email address? Who knows? But just because you might not trust them you can't throw the "spam" label at them.
2005-02-04 07:41 am (UTC)
Based on instinct and not knowledge...
I sent Caroline a gmail invite without asking her because I thought it would be useful. She got an email from Google - that wasn't spam and neither is this.
2005-02-04 08:23 am (UTC)
Re: Based on instinct and not knowledge...
Yeah, but when I get SMS.ac e-mails from my mates I just leave 'em in the spam box. They're unsolicited in that I didn't ask for them therefore they're spam.