2006-11-01 10:42 am (UTC)
Re: Not surprised.
[Mr Burns]Excellent![/Mr Burns]
...would be cruel.
2006-11-01 11:51 am (UTC)
Re: Not surprised.
[Bart]I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything![/Bart]
You mean the Eastercon was already broken when you got there?
2006-11-01 12:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Not surprised.
<Moe>If I ever get my hands on you...</Moe>
2006-11-01 03:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Not surprised.
Stepping aside from the numerous threads arguing that that the enterprise was doomed from day 1, thanks to a combination of venue and timescale, the absence of a major sf event next April is going to have severe repercussions for smaller conventions in 2007, including Novacon, as well as a knock-on effect upon the 2008 Eastercon.
Historically, Novacon gets three waves of registrations: at the preceding Novacon, at Easter and during the month leading up to the con (as folks realise they've forgotten to book). We've just lost a major platform at which to display our wares, and I'm not convinced that the potential influx of fans who'll now decide to go to Novacon instead will balance out those we're going to lose.
I think the "we'll go to X instead" brigade may find themselves looking for another con in the same part of the year, which Novacon isn't -- if a substitute event doesn't emerge I might well go to P-con in Dublin, for example, although I'll be at Novacon anyway so I'm not really a valid example.
I suspect you're right, Doug, and they might also prefer a more media-oriented event than Novacon. What we're really losing is a shop window to remind fans of the conventions they would probably attend anyway but haven't got around to booking yet. Maybe, if everyone chipped in towards the postage, Convoy could include flyers for these other events when they send out the refund cheques.
Of course if you can identify the event(s) that people are going to instead of Eastercon, and get materials to them, you might be able to pick up more people than from just advertising at Eastercon...
It's also having a presence at the Eastercon which helps, but I guess we'll have to make the best of the situation.
Suggestion: all conventions who would have had a stall at Convoy, get fliers into the refund mailing they're going to send?
I floated that a couple of steps back up this thread. I may suggest it more formally on AnonClaire / UK_SF_Events or some similar forum.
Which no-one from Convoy will read. What is worrying me is that there has been no "announcement" in any forum, just the page on the website. It could have happened days ago for all we know. This does not bode well for any positive communication about the various "solutions" that people are mooting - varying from postal bids to adding to the refund mailing to them handing over the Eastercon baton to another group.
I wouldn't be surprised if the refund mailing has been posted already, so that people received notification of the cancellation before Novacon.
Teledu will also be interested in doing this and I suspect Confounding tales will be as well.
I think the one off events like Teledu and Confounding Tales will be hit hardest by this. Novacon has the well earned advantage of being a fixture on the fanish calander.
Oddly enough, 'tis not always the case. Folks sometimes count on going to a "fixture", so leave off booking, then find a reason not to turn up. 'Twas ever thus.
I really think it's time there was more co-operation between British sf/fantasy conventions, such as a network of reciprocal ads on websites, etc. If nothing else, I will be happy to include details of other events in Novacon 37 publications, just to spread the word.
There used to be a scheme you could sign up to, one of those rotating banner ad things, where you uploaded your convention banner ad with a click-through address, and put a placeholder image on your own site. Then every visitor got a random ad for another con or sf event. I have a feeling it was run by Alex McLintock, but I may be wrong.
Well there is P-Con next March, and you're more than welcome to plug your next event there.
Most kind. Funnily enough, Charlie Stross mentioned P-Con
to me just the other day.
Charlie is a regular guest, and I'm delighted that he'll be back in 2007, along with his charming wife.
For my sins, I'm the chairman for 2007, and so can say that anything we can do, just ask.
Year of the Teledu
will be comming to P-Con but its at least 10 years since the last time I went to one. Do you have dealers tables? Could Teledu run a programme item?
hmmm - just wondering what P-Con you were are at 10 years ago?
I'll be away for a few days, but will get in touch next week to discuss things. Yes there will be dealers tables.
Sorry, getting my Picocons and my P-Cons mixed up. I really shouldn't post before I've fully woken up.
That would have been Octocon that you went to, not P-Con. Actually while drinking excessively and having fun at this year's Octocon I did vaguely think that if they cancelled Eastercon I might do P-Con instead, as I've been quite keen to go to one. It is in the middle of prime snowboarding time though.
You're more than welcome to have a table at Redemption - though I'm not sure how much the demographic overlaps. Mind you, having said that, we often get a good turnout for our book stream. (And my advice on publicity at Redemption tends to run thu: "don't just book a table, do panel items that are representative of panels you would have at your convention and then plug the con at the end of the panel")
If you do want a table, let me know fairly soon, as the dealer's room is filling up. Then again, if we do fill up, there's always space in the Rotunda.
Thanks, Judith. I'll ask around and see if any of the N37 team intend attending Redemption.
Alternatively, when's the cut-off for advertising?
You need to speak to Steve Rogerson about advertising. Do you need me to send his email address or do you already have it?
Seems to me frankly that if you look at the attendance (as I do every year) people pretty much go to Novacon because they always do - not much evidence of people being brought in from fandom at large while wandering past a desk at Eastercon - so you'll get the same memberships most likely, just not all in a lump. Expect rather more last minute oh I forgot joining (which will mean more money for you in fact.)