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Thoughts about the Novacon Art Show [Apr. 14th, 2007|05:02 pm]
Douglas Spencer
Prompted by someone else posting pictures of her artwork, and having been thereby reminded that she was in the art show last year, I've been thinking.

I've done origami workshops at conventions before. In fact I'm down to do one at Year of the Teledu. I restocked on paper at the Japanese Shop in Chester during Eastercon, and I've been folding again.

Those models are all folded from squares about two inches on a side, which means they're mostly between a quarter and a half an inch across (say six to twelve mm in the new money).

Questions: Is it worth me putting something together for the Novacon art show? Is it at all likely that anyone would want to bid, on something that I'd routinely give away free in the bar anyway? Should I attempt something particularly complex for the show?

[User Picture]From: minttown1
2007-04-14 04:23 pm (UTC)
Those are beautiful, all the more so for knowing how small they are.
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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-14 08:54 pm (UTC)
I like working on the small models, it's more of a challenge. But see my reply to Dop, below, about larger models.
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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-14 08:58 pm (UTC)
There's two factors. The paper needs to hold its shape when flat, for the distance from one fold to the next. This means that larger models have to have stiffer paper. But if the paper's too stiff then it's harder to get it to hold a crisp fold, and crispness of the fold is vital if the location of the fold is precise -- if the fold itself occupies much real space in the paper, then the model loses its shape too easily and some models simply don't work unless individual folds actually stay flat without extra help.

These bits of paper are about two inches square -- I also have similar paper in five-inch squares and seven-inch squares. About the limit in size is about a foot square, if you're using paper that's thin enough to fold accurately -- so if you take a square off the end of an A3 piece of paper, that's about as large as you'd want to use.
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[User Picture]From: wouldyoueva
2007-04-14 04:24 pm (UTC)
I've seen origami in U.S. art shows, so you wouldn't be the first to do it.

The traditional criticism is that origami is a craft, not art, but think: haven't we all seen stuff in the Art Show that strains the title of "Art"?

Maybe a diormama of SFnal creatures?
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[User Picture]From: johncoxon
2007-04-14 04:24 pm (UTC)
Yes, maybe and yes.
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[User Picture]From: frostfox
2007-04-14 04:38 pm (UTC)
The blurring of art and craft is a good thing.

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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
Even better in German, where you can sometimes use the same word ("technik") for art and craft and skill and science and design and ...

Yes. Agreed.
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[User Picture]From: elfy
2007-04-15 09:11 pm (UTC)
There is also the german word 'Kunsthandwerk', which is, 1 to 1 translated 'Artcraftsmanship' or something like that. It means 'Crafts as a form of Art'. It's mostly used for 'old' crafts, like, when things are build by hand, one by one, take some time and are in their own way... art.
Oh, I see, there is the translation 'arts and crafts'... but well, in german it's one word :)
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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-15 09:34 pm (UTC)
I should have thought of that -- it's the same "Kunst" which is used in the title of J S Bach's work which is normally translated into English as "The Art of Fugue".
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[User Picture]From: djelibeybi
2007-04-14 05:06 pm (UTC)
I wish I'd known you did this two years ago. I really wanted to recruit (for money) someone to make about a hundred of these for the tables at the gala dinner last year and couldn't find anyone.
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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-14 09:16 pm (UTC)
If the need arises again, please feel free to give me a shout.

In other news, I can't quite work out who you are -- you're clearly amongst the post-Eastercon adding frenzy, but I haven't connected name/face/username yet. I'm probably being startlingly inept -- I usually am.
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[User Picture]From: djelibeybi
2007-04-14 10:21 pm (UTC)


I've worked on tech for the Eastercons of 2003 and 2005 and for Redemption since 2003 but not this year (although lewis_p_bear and myself attended. I have also done programme for 2002 & 2004 Discworld conventions and was chairman for 2006 http://www.dwcon.org/committee/meg-broadribb.php The above named Bear has worked tech on over 100 conventions in the last thirty years. We also have a few mutual friends.
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[User Picture]From: alexmc
2007-04-14 07:14 pm (UTC)
I've seen an awful lot of things at a Novacon Art show which arent "paint on canvas". So go for it. They often have "3d" stuff on tables. So find out from them what info they need to exhibit and go for it.

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[User Picture]From: watervole
2007-04-14 07:16 pm (UTC)
Must be my monitor or something. The image is almost totally black.

If you do something for the Novacon art show, I'd consider a way of building individual origami figures into a larger piece of art. For instance, a set of really tiny birds could become a flock in flight against a fantasy sky, or if you felt more abstract, you could glue them in a spiral against a fabric background in a picture frame. (patterned paper, plain fabric)
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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-14 09:07 pm (UTC)
It's dark enough (bad photography on my part), but it's a long way off black on my screen.

Thanks for the extra ideas, it looks like I'll be having a play with some of those.
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[User Picture]From: possumed
2007-04-14 08:50 pm (UTC)
Wow! Those must make you so popular in bars!
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[User Picture]From: dougs
2007-04-14 09:13 pm (UTC)
Well, in bars (usually at conventions) they're made with flyers for other conventions, so they aren't as small as these ... and they're not that special Origami paper which tends to be plain on one side and patterned on the other, so you can't do clever things juxtaposing the two colours like I've done with the black-and-white fancy box in the centre of the photo, or with the mouth of the fish.

If they were always as good-looking as these, I'd do better.
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[User Picture]From: nerosmaster
2007-04-15 04:25 pm (UTC)
For an are show I think you would need to make something special, or have a themed collection, rather than just the individual pieces you might usually make. I may be tempted to bid something for them, but I can say that since I don't go to Novacon.
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