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If you don't know what this is about, don't worry. [Oct. 5th, 2009|09:21 pm]
Douglas Spencer
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In order to dispel any doubt that there may be over my opinion on the matter:

Firstly, It's my firm belief that the correct response of a convention committee hearing criticism of their convention, or its current or previous committees, is to prove those critics wrong by running a great event.

Secondly, it seems to me that banning your critic from your event, refusing to enter into any online discussion on the matter, and refusing to discuss it with any other persons, seems (on the face of it) to be a little odd.

Thirdly and finally, I'm trying to remember any occasion when a committee has banned a critic and then refused to discuss it, and then gone on to find that their public image has improved in any way. No success yet.

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[User Picture]From: slovobooks
2009-10-05 08:26 pm (UTC)
Doug Spencer, I love you!
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[User Picture]From: jophan
2009-10-05 08:42 pm (UTC)
I think this is the most tragi-comically stupid thing I've ever seen a con comittee ever do. Not a chance I'd ever set my foot at an Octocon in the future.
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[User Picture]From: whotheheckami
2009-10-05 08:44 pm (UTC)
I don't know what this is about, but I dearly wish to know now.
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[User Picture]From: quercus
2009-10-05 09:25 pm (UTC)
Funny thing is, this isn't the only con that's heading that way...

Another recent con was a first event, and everyone returned from it happy and full of praise for the organisers.

Afterwards there was some discussion about how jolly it had been, how great the organisers had been, and how to make it even better in the future. There was some discussion as to food, kids, price of fish, and ticket numbers for next year. All conducted in the most remarkable jolly of atmospheres, for the organisers had indeed done a great job and thanks for them was prolific and sincere.

...For which the main organiser has angrily banned all discussion of next year's planning: the secret committee will duly tell us what's on offer, and we can either book or not. But in the meantime, no discussion or feedback upon it. He has now started threatening to ban people from next year's event, for having the temerity to do so!

In just two weeks, the organisers have gone from receiving prolific praise to total stunned silence. At least a few people are now even questioning whether they want to go next year, if that's the attitude that they're going to encounter. Certainly the forum itself is a far quieter place, for fear of invoking The Wrath.
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[User Picture]From: the_magician
2009-10-06 01:39 am (UTC)
Now *that* intriques me, either here, or by private message, can you let me know which con and where it was being discussed?

thanks!
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[User Picture]From: quercus
2009-10-06 04:26 pm (UTC)
Not quite a "con" in the same sf- sense, but a moment's research along the obvious route will find it, and web searching will turn up the related web forum.
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[User Picture]From: bellinghman
2009-10-06 09:24 am (UTC)
Oh dear me, that's sad.

And there was one a couple of weeks back not that far east from your profiled position of which I heard nothing but praise, and to which we might well have wanted to go if there was a repeat (even though it's quite a distance from East Anglia). I hope it wasn't that one.
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From: raccoona
2009-10-06 11:17 am (UTC)
If we're thinking of the same con it wouldn't surprise me. Knowing that there were already people angry at having their offers of help rebuffed and ignored in the run up to this year's.

(Using an obvious sock here. Not for any reason more nefarious than not having the energy at pesent to devote to potentially getting involved in a big fannish row with the tantrums and the grudges and the satirical fanzines and oye....).
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[User Picture]From: liluri
2009-10-06 12:54 am (UTC)

*follows links...*

Committee fail!
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[User Picture]From: pierre_fermat
2009-10-06 05:50 pm (UTC)
Brophy has shot himself in the foot so many times in so few posts that he has no foot left. The Committee have thrown more shit at their own convention than Slovobooks or anyone else has ever done; and more of it has stuck than Slovobooks or anyone else could ever have achieved, had they wanted to try.

Extraordinary farce.
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-06 07:03 pm (UTC)
A lot of fan friends have tried to get me to go to Octocon and I've never been to Ireland so was tempted. Glad I didn't now. I'll stick to nice conventions like Redemption!
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-06 07:16 pm (UTC)
Although now I've read more about it the guy who got banned sounds a bit of a tosser too.
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[User Picture]From: pierre_fermat
2009-10-06 09:21 pm (UTC)
I'll introduce you at Eastercon or somewhere sometime.
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[User Picture]From: annafdd
2009-10-06 11:01 pm (UTC)
I know Padraig, and I have a real hard time to see him as a tosser. He grumbles a lot, but then again, in this instance he was right.

ETA: and frankly, this is the thing that makes me angrier about the whole business. Throw enough mud at somebody, take a nuclear-option action against them out of personal feuding, and suddenly everybody will start thinking that where there's smoke there's fire...

Edited at 2009-10-06 11:03 pm (UTC)
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