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If you don't know what this is about, don't worry. [Oct. 5th, 2009|09:21 pm]
Douglas Spencer
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In order to dispel any doubt that there may be over my opinion on the matter:

Firstly, It's my firm belief that the correct response of a convention committee hearing criticism of their convention, or its current or previous committees, is to prove those critics wrong by running a great event.

Secondly, it seems to me that banning your critic from your event, refusing to enter into any online discussion on the matter, and refusing to discuss it with any other persons, seems (on the face of it) to be a little odd.

Thirdly and finally, I'm trying to remember any occasion when a committee has banned a critic and then refused to discuss it, and then gone on to find that their public image has improved in any way. No success yet.

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[User Picture]From: captainlucy
2009-10-07 01:01 am (UTC)
Oh, Pádraig's no saint, and he'd be the first to say that. He's got on my tits more than once, but that's purely because he calls a spade a spade - when you ask him "what do you think about blah" he tells you exactly that. Sometimes, just sometimes, I suspect he may secretly be a Yorkshireman, but shhh, don't tell him I said that! ;)

As for the alleged threat of assault ... well, I don't know the precise ins and outs of that particular incident, but I know enough back-story to know that the Pádraig of 7 or 8 years ago is a very different man to the Pádraig of today and that, even if true, what happened 7 or 8 years ago should be left 7 or 8 years ago.
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-07 08:19 am (UTC)
Alright, I'll turn this around: Are the people on the committee NOT considered reasonable, sensible people? Other than this action do they strike anybody as an innately antagonistic lot?
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[User Picture]From: jemck
2009-10-07 08:38 am (UTC)
Er, yes, unfortunately. I can't really go into specifics without dragging up a lot of unedifying stuff but hey, they're not going into specifics either.

Are you willing to accept that much from me, on the basis of having been a pro-writer guest at a handful of Octocons this past decade? A writer, who as I told the committee in 2007, won't be going back until I hear reliable third-party reports of colossal improvement.

The two central chaps here detest each other and have done for a decade. There have been encounters with faults on both sides - but I am aware of nothing that even remotely justifies these wild accusations.

I do take pains to get my facts from third parties who work very hard to be fair to both sides and stay as neutral as possible. Which makes the fact so many are now standing in support of Padraig even more telling.

I would also endorse Annafdd's and Captain Lucy's assessments of Padraig's character.

I was at what appears to be the key convention in question - and the Brophy version of events goes so far beyond 'speculative fiction' that it's crossed the event horizon and is accelerating with its arse on fire.
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-07 08:50 am (UTC)
Well I don't know any of the involved, although like I say, I'd heard a lot of really good things about Octocon and hoped to go one day (as I've yet to go to Ireland as well). But if the opinion (from a number of people I do know) is that Padraig has a good rep and the committe somewhat doesn't (from one person I don't know) on balence he looks to be the innocent party.

The only reason I weighed in is I've been on convention and society committees and it always annoys me to see somebody attack a bunch of people who've given up their free time to do something for others. Even if they've not done a good job they deserve respect for effort and being the ones who actually got off their bum and tried. Also in one particular club I'm in it's ones who have done a good job before who seem happiest to attack the current incumbents.
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[User Picture]From: bellinghwoman
2009-10-07 09:00 am (UTC)
I've yet to go to Ireland

Come to P-Con!

www.pcon.ie


Edited at 2009-10-07 09:01 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-07 09:14 am (UTC)
I need a job before I can go to any cons! I was meant to be on 3 panels at next year's Eastercon but have had to withdraw as it looks like I won't get to go :-(
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[User Picture]From: bellinghwoman
2009-10-07 09:23 am (UTC)
Ah sorry - that was insensitive of me, especially as I am aware of your situation. My apologies.
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-07 09:48 am (UTC)
Not at all. I wasn't annoyed, just saying.
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[User Picture]From: jemck
2009-10-07 09:11 am (UTC)
I'm with you entirely on disliking the way naysayers will so often carp from the sidelines, with no real understanding of the very hard work that goes into organising any successful event/volunteer-based organisation.

I too have served my time on assorted committees across a whole range of things and have seen the behaviours you describe.

So I have been taking your points in the spirit I felt they were meant, and now see that was indeed correct.
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[User Picture]From: jon_a_five
2009-10-07 09:13 am (UTC)
I did miss saying that their actions are totally wrong. Even if Padraig did something that bad he should be told exactly what it was and a ban should only be a last resort.
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[User Picture]From: davesangel
2009-10-08 08:42 pm (UTC)
The only reason I weighed in is I've been on convention and society committees and it always annoys me to see somebody attack a bunch of people who've given up their free time to do something for others. Even if they've not done a good job they deserve respect for effort and being the ones who actually got off their bum and tried. Also in one particular club I'm in it's ones who have done a good job before who seem happiest to attack the current incumbents

Couldn't agree more.
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From: (Anonymous)
2009-10-08 12:56 am (UTC)

Octocon Brouhaha

What incident 7 or 8 years ago? Is it why James hates Padraig? And you know what? Even if something did happen, like he yelled at someone (I will never believe that he shook his fists at James Brophy, just don't see it, na, no way!), or was very annoyed with them on line for messing things up, like the PA system incident, or the leaving Julit McKenna's bio out of the program, that was either 2006 or 2007, I think, I'm open to correction on specifics though...

Anyway, we're all just guessing and trying to think "What did Padraig ever actually do to warrent being barred? And why wait 2 or 3, or 7 or 8 years to bring it up? It's completely ridiculous!

Do ya think there's any way they can save the con? Or do ya think I should maybe go to the CSI thing in the Ambassador on Saturday instead? Is anyone actually going? To the con that is? Other than maybe me? If they retract their ban and apologise, that is?
Do ya think they'll refund me my €30 if I don't go? Hmmm...
What a mess they now have on their hands!

Bonsaii, aka Caitriona Hamman, and you know I'm Padraig's sister, right?
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