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Someone is wrong on the Internet [Oct. 13th, 2010|10:22 pm]
Douglas Spencer
Someone is wrong on the Internet. There's a chance it could be me.

Poll #1631127 When is twelve?

12pm

Makes no sense
20(31.2%)
Is in the middle of the day
39(60.9%)
Is in the middle of the night
5(7.8%)

Noon

Is in the afternoon
18(29.5%)
Is not in the afternoon
43(70.5%)


Edit: Context is here.
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[User Picture]From: ang_grrr
2010-10-13 09:36 pm (UTC)
It's the cusp.
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[User Picture]From: elfs
2010-10-13 09:40 pm (UTC)
12pm is in the middle of the day. It is noon. It is, however, not afternoon. Sex is not what happens after sex. (Well, okay, it sometimes is, but that's another story.)
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[User Picture]From: darth_tigger
2010-10-13 09:43 pm (UTC)
How can noon be in the after-noon?
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[User Picture]From: not_vacillating
2010-10-13 09:51 pm (UTC)
Surely noon can't be either or before itself, and is therefore neither afternoon nor forenoon? Unless you're looking at British Silly Time, under which true noon is the clock-time afternoon.

12pm and 12am make no sense. That's why we have the terms noon and midnight.
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[User Picture]From: bibliofile
2010-10-14 06:31 am (UTC)
... or, even more something-ly, midday and midnight.
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[User Picture]From: nmg
2010-10-13 09:52 pm (UTC)
(x) I always use the twenty-four hour clock to avoid these problems.

(x) Is between the morning and the afternoon.
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[User Picture]From: pne
2010-10-14 09:49 am (UTC)
(x) I always use the twenty-four hour clock to avoid these problems.
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[User Picture]From: bopeepsheep
2010-10-13 09:57 pm (UTC)
Sidereal noon and 'apparent noon' can be in the afternoon. Which is both visibly and demonstrably true, and confusing. But I've gone for 'not in the afternoon' because you don't have a snowflake or 'both' option, and if I arranged to be somewhere at noon it'd form part of the morning's activity in my head, not the afternoon's (because the getting there part happens in the morning).
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[User Picture]From: del_c
2010-10-13 10:05 pm (UTC)
AM and PM are regions and 12 is a boundary. Two different classes of entity. Boundaries aren't regions, and they don't have to be in regions, especially not the regions they're the boundary of.

(Is the Scotland-England border in Scotland or England? It's safe to say it's in Britain)

Twelve noon is the meridiem, it can be neither ante- nor post-.

Twelve midnight could be taken as *both* post meridiem in the day just past, *and* ante meridiem in the day to come, but to keep consistency with midday, it should probably be taken as neither, instead of both.
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[User Picture]From: frandowdsofa
2010-10-13 10:55 pm (UTC)
This.
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[User Picture]From: whotheheckami
2010-10-14 06:16 am (UTC)
[x] ticky box
[x] that would be an ecumenical matter
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[User Picture]From: alexmc
2010-10-14 07:23 am (UTC)
This!
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[User Picture]From: deborah_c
2010-10-14 10:28 am (UTC)
*applauds* :-)
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[User Picture]From: smogo
2010-10-14 06:20 am (UTC)
As soon as the clock strikes noon, it's the afternoon.
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[User Picture]From: nmg
2010-10-14 08:40 am (UTC)
Does it strike noon on the first or the twelfth chime?
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[User Picture]From: smogo
2010-10-14 08:45 am (UTC)
The first; that's how Big Ben works anyway, and Big Ben is the King of All Clocks.
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[User Picture]From: sarah_mum
2010-10-14 12:34 pm (UTC)
No, Big Ben is the bell which strikes in the King of all Clocks.
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[User Picture]From: smogo
2010-10-14 08:47 am (UTC)
But it is post. 12:00.00.00000 is arguably on the dot, but as soon as you hit 12:00.00.00001 (or even earlier, say 12:00.00.0000000000000000000000000000000001 for example), it's post.
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[User Picture]From: sarah_mum
2010-10-14 12:36 pm (UTC)
High Twelve The youff handshake from The Forest of Dean.
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[User Picture]From: hawkida
2010-10-14 08:57 am (UTC)
While the twelves are neither PM nor AM technically, if they're unlabeled it causes confusion. Since twelve and a micro-second tips it into afternoon or the next day, and we're not able to tell the difference without VERY careful measuring, it's as well to refer to the twelves in that region too.
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[User Picture]From: sarah_mum
2010-10-14 12:35 pm (UTC)
A gentleman does not say "good afternoon" until after he's had his lunch. Mealtime: the finest of all timekeeping systems
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[User Picture]From: diglett
2010-10-14 08:04 pm (UTC)
12pm may make no sense but 12.01 onwards is all afternoon and therefore pm so the associated 12 is a pm too.
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