2010-10-13 09:40 pm (UTC)
12pm is in the middle of the day. It is noon. It is, however, not afternoon. Sex is not what happens after sex. (Well, okay, it sometimes is, but that's another story.)
How can noon be in the after-noon?
Surely noon can't be either or before itself, and is therefore neither afternoon nor forenoon? Unless you're looking at British Silly Time, under which true noon is the clock-time afternoon.
12pm and 12am make no sense. That's why we have the terms noon and midnight.
... or, even more something-ly, midday and midnight.
2010-10-13 09:52 pm (UTC)
(x) I always use the twenty-four hour clock to avoid these problems.
(x) Is between the morning and the afternoon.
2010-10-14 09:49 am (UTC)
(x) I always use the twenty-four hour clock
to avoid these problems.
Sidereal noon and 'apparent noon' can be in the afternoon. Which is both visibly and demonstrably true, and confusing. But I've gone for 'not in the afternoon' because you don't have a snowflake or 'both' option, and if I arranged to be somewhere at noon it'd form part of the morning's activity in my head, not the afternoon's (because the getting there part happens in the morning).
AM and PM are regions and 12 is a boundary. Two different classes of entity. Boundaries aren't regions, and they don't have to be in regions, especially not the regions they're the boundary of.
(Is the Scotland-England border in Scotland or England? It's safe to say it's in Britain)
Twelve noon is the meridiem, it can be neither ante- nor post-.
Twelve midnight could be taken as *both* post meridiem in the day just past, *and* ante meridiem in the day to come, but to keep consistency with midday, it should probably be taken as neither, instead of both.
[x] ticky box
[x] that would be an ecumenical matter
As soon as the clock strikes noon, it's the afternoon.
2010-10-14 08:40 am (UTC)
Does it strike noon on the first or the twelfth chime?
The first; that's how Big Ben works anyway, and Big Ben is the King of All Clocks.
No, Big Ben is the bell which strikes in the King of all Clocks.
But it is post. 12:00.00.00000 is arguably on the dot, but as soon as you hit 12:00.00.00001 (or even earlier, say 12:00.00.0000000000000000000000000000000001 for example), it's post.
High Twelve The youff handshake from The Forest of Dean.
While the twelves are neither PM nor AM technically, if they're unlabeled it causes confusion. Since twelve and a micro-second tips it into afternoon or the next day, and we're not able to tell the difference without VERY careful measuring, it's as well to refer to the twelves in that region too.
A gentleman does not say "good afternoon" until after he's had his lunch. Mealtime: the finest of all timekeeping systems
12pm may make no sense but 12.01 onwards is all afternoon and therefore pm so the associated 12 is a pm too.